Questions: Valerian and ME-related depression

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Hi there everyone,

I'm brand new to this thread, and pretty new to using aromatherapy too. But I'm keen and learning fast!

I'm trying to put together a blend or two for my Mum, who has ME / Chronic Fatigue Syndrome / Fibromyalgia.

She is undergoing a treatment of Guaifenesin, which is helping enormously but has the 'side-effect' of re-inflaming old symptoms as it clears her body. As a result the two things she has asked me to look at, which may need addressing separately, are;
1. depression and feeling emotionally flat and lethargic
2. mild panic attacks, nerve sensitivity, agitation

Because Guaifenesin is sensitive to salicylates, she thinks it best to stick with vaporising oils rather than massage.
When I came across Valerian in my books (Valerie Worwood and another beginners intro to aromatherapy) it looked ideal for addressing Mum's anxiety and panic etc, but one website I almost bought some from said it is NOT suitable for vaporising.

Also, Valerie Worwood's advice for treating stress is not to use more than three oils in a blend. Do I need to stick to that too?

Any ideas anyone please ??

I'm sorry if this looks like I'm trying to get an Aromatherapy consultation for free, but I promise I'm just trying to learn what I can.

Thanks x x x
 
Hiya

I agree with the not using more than 3 oils per blend, especially if you're not qualified.

I'm not sure about using Valerian, however, as this is an extremely powerful sedative!

For vaporising, given your mother's conditions, I'd suggest:

Grapefruit
Rose
Melissa

These oils are quite powerful antidepressants. You can use them on their own or in a blend.

Also Rosewood and Palmarosa. Rosewood is an endangered species so you may wish to avoid this.

Hope this helps.
 
I agree with Chris on the tree oils usage, also on the use of Grapefruit & melissa, as I am 98% better from ME - I speak from experience as well as being an aromatherapist. I found that using them in a vapouriser was fine, and as they are fairly aromatic but mild I also used them in a footbath.
I would however ask your mother to smell them first as I was very sensitive to smells and certainly could not tolerate Lavender, Marjoram, rosewood, and valerian.
You could also use camomile to ease the panic attacks - but use in a rollerball.
 
That helps enormously, thanks.

VW mentions that Grapefruit and Rose are particularly good for ME, along with Geranium and Tangerine.

I think I'm trying to run before I can walk a bit here and it's so easy to become overfaced by all the options available, especially knowing that oils can work in synergy with each other - it makes me panic a bit that I don't know enough.

After spending several weeks absorbed in books it's great to find a forum where there are real people who can talk back!
 
Go with the grapefruit, it is light, sunny, uplifting and being citrus is 'clean'. Rose is not every ones smell, and it is very expensive. Geranium, - hormonal balancer, - I did not mention this as you did not mention her age or if she is ME affected by hormones, if she is 'menopausal'.... Tangerine again is bright, clear citrus.... Look upon the oils as to where the oil is from. Fruit - Head. Leaves - body. Roots/bark - grounding. Light, Medium, heavy......
Uplifting is the way to start first.... Keep reading - Try Patricia Davies A~Z.
kEEP INCONTACT IF YOU NEED MORE HELP!
 
I've used Valerian in massage and it knocked out the guy I was treating all weekend (he had a high pressured job was always on the go and didn't know how to relax apart from pouring a large scotch on the rocks). I would not want to vapourise Valerian as it has a rather unpleasant smell.

I rather like the idea of the following blend

Bergamot
Geranium
Lavender

You can use the above oils in a burner, bath or as a massage blend.
I also think that drinking Chamomile tea may also be helpful.

Binah
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Just to add, please don't go by the blend strengths that Valerie Worwood gives. You need to halve the number of drops per 10mls of carrier. Another really good oil for helping with anxiety is neroli, although again, this is one of the more expensive ones. But as with melissa, you don't need much as they both can overpower a blend.
 
Yes, I made up a blend of Geranium, Lavender and Bergamot for a tired and stressed friend, and the next time I saw her she virtually bounced into the room! She said 'That stuff's great, I've used the lot!' (I gave her a small mix to see if she liked it)
I had to warn her not to overdose her children on it !

I'm glad to hear others say VW's concentrations are too high, I tried to give my husband a massage to help him sleep and nearly ended up keeping him up all night with the pong!
Her book on children's health seems pretty cautious as far as dosage is concerned.

Thanks so much for all the encouragement x
 
Just to add to all the great info above, when I had post viral fatigue I found that Petitgrain worked wonders for me, but aromas are very personal and I hope you find something just right from everyone's input. Good luck.

Vivien
 
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    wonderspa: ๐ŸŒนwelcome toWonder spa [9421Jane st unit 127)L6a 4H8,๐Ÿ”ฅ4165000-800,Ensuit rain shower is available ,every day 4 nice girls working,๐Ÿ’„Amy is Vietnamese young sex girl,open maid,everything she can do,๐Ÿ’„Mimi is very beautiful face long leg friendly ,nice body slide,really popular must try๐ŸŒนlong hair Mina strong to relax oil massage,back walk,nice sexy body slice.amazing ending,๐Ÿ”ฅbring you comfortable time
  38. Nu spring spa888:
    ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒนsexy hot Latino ๐Ÿ’– Malaysian ๐Ÿ’– Korean girls ๐Ÿ‘working at Nu spring spa๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’‹โ˜Ž๏ธ416-669-8508๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน
  39. Annie Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ANNIE SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…7-1001 SANDHURST CIRCLEโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒSCARBOROUGH ON M1V 1Z6๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ (647) 891-9688โ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ (416) 291-8879โ˜Ž๏ธ (FINCH & MCCOWAN) OPEN 9:30am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…NEW MANAGEMENT๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ”ฅGORGEOUS NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS - TODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: ๐Ÿ”ฅ Judy๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅOur new Asian massage girl Judy is a vision of refined sensuality, with a graceful figure and smooth, flawless skin that radiates warmth and allure. Her striking black hair frames her delicate features, and her poised
  40. Lilyspa1:
    Lily Spa : โค๏ธโค๏ธ SuSu ( Asian )Slim , ๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜Porn Service ๐Ÿฉท๐ŸฉทElena 22, Latino French, 36 DDD and ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘ASS, ๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’‹Vicky 22, Philippine mixed White , very open-Minded , ๐Ÿ˜ˆbbbj , DFk ๐Ÿ”ฅDuo ๐Ÿ”ฅ,โ˜Ž๏ธ 6475318288
  41. Spa in Markham:
  42. BlueXado Therapy & Spa:
  43. Pink Flower Spa:
  44. ForeverWarden:
    Monday at ๐Ÿซฆโค๏ธ๐Ÿ”ดโ™พ๏ธ๐“•๐“ž๐“ก๐“”๐“ฅ๐“”๐“ก ๐“ข๐“Ÿ๐“โ™พ๏ธ๐ŸŸฅ๐Ÿ”ดโค๏ธ๐Ÿซฆ 2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด๐Ÿณ: Bella, Cutie & Yumi. Bella is around 5โ€™3โ€ with a thin to medium build, C Cups, and a pleasing personality. She can offer dfk, bbbj and cfs as well as a good massage experience. Cutie is young, very pretty, long hair, great services. Yumi is a young half Chinese / /half Korean very sexy
  45. bnwellness_wilson:
    We have 4 young girls are working today, young pretty Lily 25โ€™s with curve body and young Taiwanese Victoria slime 25โ€™s open mind, young sexy Michelle 25โ€™s with curve body open kind and cute GFE Lina are providing deep tissue massage, pls call 4163985777 book appointment and walk in always welcome,back entrance and parking available, 350 Wilson Ave North York
  46. HolidaySpa:
    Monday at ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…๐“—๐“ธ๐“ต๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ช๐”‚ ๐“ข๐“น๐“ช๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough โ˜Ž๏ธ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿญ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿต๐Ÿตโ˜Ž๏ธ: AMY, FIONA & CINDY. AMY is an attractive young lady with larger breasts and a nice bottom. She has outstanding oral skills, and is very popular. Donโ€™t miss out on her special skills! FIONA is a slim hottie with long dark hair, great melons and ass, and nice services. CINDY is slim
  47. SugarLoveSpa:
    Monday at โค๏ธ๐Ÿ’™ ๐Ÿ’œโŽ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—š๐—”๐—ฅ ๐—Ÿ๐—ข๐—ฉ๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”โŽ ๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’˜: ELLA, MIA, NANCY & TIFFANY. 1270 Finch Ave W (at Keele St), Unit 18. North York, ON โ˜Ž ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฑ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด โ˜Ž ELLA is a lovely Thai sweetheart, 5โ€™1โ€ with C Cups, smooth skin and a very pleasing attitude. MIA is a young & slim ๐™Ž๐™‹๐™„๐™‰๐™‰๐™€๐™, very PRETTY & PETITE Vietnamese beauty with perfect natural A Cups, 5โ€™1โ€ & 90 Lbs, very versatile. Come and enjoy.
  48. luckywellness:
    Lucky Wellness Center 4379721888 295 Eglinton Ave E,Unit 7,Mississauga We have three girls working today, Vivi, Sarah and Kiki. They are young, beautiful, sexy and cute. They can give massages and are also fun
  49. Lulu1980:
    Phoenix Blossom Spa ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน Three girls every day ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ 5124 Dundas West Street, Etobicoke โ˜Ž๏ธ 416-817-3366 ๐Ÿ‘ Newโ—๏ธNew girl โ—๏ธCindy sexy girl 1.65 M.pretty boobs 36D๐Ÿ˜˜so open service ๐Ÿ˜œ๐Ÿ˜œ Sweet girl Luna deep massage ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜ Hot and sexy body very provocative service ๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜โค๏ธ You are welcome to make an appointment at any time or walk in directly through the back door. We have ample parking spaces available
  50. DareDevil:
    Blackpink Wellness โ™ฅ๏ธโ™ฅ๏ธ90 Marycroft Ave. Unit #2, Vaughan, ๐Ÿญ๐ŸฌON L4L 5Y1 (647) 395-3188. BEAUTIFUL AND SEXY GIRLS TODAY: ๐ŸŒนSuperstar Julie, Fun Girl Bonnie, Indian Girl Meera and Beautiful Tiffany on duty๐ŸŒน.
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