Question Catching COVID-19 (Omicron)

One could argue that, but that one is certainly not you. You are not qualified to discuss a subject that is clearly beyond your scope.

How about you answer the logical question instead:

Would you feel safe knowing that uninsured drivers are on the same road as you everyday? WHY?

Youโ€™ve contradicted yourself every post. At least Iโ€™m consistent.

I tried to ignore it, but there you go again. Your analogy doesnโ€™t make sense. First, regardless of someoneโ€™s insurance status, if they crash into you, your insurance covers you. Second, insurance is pretty guaranteed to cover you. We donโ€™t see 13,339 (todayโ€™s Covid cases) failed claims per day. Third, an uninsured driver isnโ€™t any more likely to crash into you than an insured driver.

So yes, Iโ€™d feel safe.


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Weโ€™ve had tens of thousands of cases every day in Ontario for the last 2 weeks. It made headlines every day. Vaxxed and unvaxxed are getting infected equally. The vax has no efficacy against omicron, and waning efficacy on delta.

If 100% of ICU patients were vaccinated, we would definitively know the vaccinesโ€™ efficacy. One might even argue itโ€™s better to be unvaccinated.


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Your last sentence shows your thinking is very muddied on this. You should reassess. If 100% of people were vaccinated, then obviously all ICU patients would be vaccinated. What would that tell you about how well the vaccine works? Nothing. How can you possibly believe that would make a case for being unvaccinated?? Again, if everyone wore seatbelts, there would still be traffic fatalities. Would that be an argument for not wearing a seatbelt? That's essentially the logic you're employing.

I don't argue about transmission stats, because I haven't seen any conclusive data, most probably because it's almost impossible to determine if someone is infected by a vaccinated or unvaccinated person.

However, when it comes to lessening the risk of serious illness or death, the facts are in, the vaccine is very effective.

The way you are understanding ICU numbers you are comparing apples to oranges. As I said, the only way to do it is to compare equal size groups and see how many patients from each go on to develop serious cases of covid. It's the only measurement that matters as far as the vaccine is concerned.
 
Your last sentence shows your thinking is very muddied on this. You should reassess. If 100% of people were vaccinated, then obviously all ICU patients would be vaccinated. What would that tell you about how well the vaccine works? Nothing. How can you possibly believe that would make a case for being unvaccinated?? Again, if everyone wore seatbelts, there would still be traffic fatalities. Would that be an argument for not wearing a seatbelt? That's essentially the logic you're employing.

I don't argue about transmission stats, because I haven't seen any conclusive data, most probably because it's almost impossible to determine if someone is infected by a vaccinated or unvaccinated person.

However, when it comes to lessening the risk of serious illness or death, the facts are in, the vaccine is very effective.

The way you are understanding ICU numbers you are comparing apples to oranges. As I said, the only way to do it is to compare equal size groups and see how many patients from each go on to develop serious cases of covid. It's the only measurement that matters as far as the vaccine is concerned.

The last sentence was a joke and was a response to the unlikely scenario of โ€œeven if 100% were vaccinatedโ€ Frank presented. But, if 100% of ICU patients were vaccinated, and were in ICU because of Covid, along with thousands of vaccinated Covid+ people, I donโ€™t believe thereโ€™s any conclusion except for, the vaccines donโ€™t work very well.

Why do we keep moving the goal posts? We started with, the vaccines will prevent you from getting Covid. Then, the symptoms are less because of the vaccines. Then, the vaccines prevent hospitalization and death. Now that we have many in hospitals and ICU beds, will it be โ€œthe vaccines prevent deathโ€?

The seatbelt analogy is a good one, but doesnโ€™t account for the traditional term vaccine. The polio, MMR etc. vaccines actually prevent โ€œtraffic fatalitiesโ€, to keep the analogy going. The little bit of infection and spread are actual breakthrough cases.

We keep dancing around the fact that the Covid vaccine isnโ€™t a vaccine, by definition. It can no longer be called a vaccine with the myriads of breakthroughs. Thatโ€™s why the CDC changed the definition. In the past, vaccines this leaky have been modified, or even discontinued. Weโ€™re getting boosters. Which booster will we say enough?


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Weโ€™ve had tens of thousands of cases every day in Ontario for the last 2 weeks. It made headlines every day. Vaxxed and unvaxxed are getting infected equally. The vax has no efficacy against omicron, and waning efficacy on delta.

If 100% of ICU patients were vaccinated, we would definitively know the vaccinesโ€™ efficacy. One might even argue itโ€™s better to be unvaccinated.


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dudes - there are way more vaccinated (8 to 1) any stat you look at as an excuse not to get vaxed should consider that.

the argument that vax hasnโ€™t improved serious illness is idiotic and counter productive.
 
Let's see if this comes true. Don't laugh just yet.
 
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and just remember,

even before vaccines were available, almost everyone who wasn't 85 years old on their last legs anyway with a pre-existing health condition,
or a 300 pound slob who had a trash diet and never exercised, made full recoveries within a few days to a week through treatments which already existed.

A VAST, VAST MAJORITY OF PEOPLE MADE FULL RECOVERIES BEFORE VACCINES WERE EVEN AVAILABLE. (why do all the vaxxed drones never mention this)


(of course some people died, people die everyday, for a wide variety of reasons, including being lab rats for pharmaceutical companies which are businesses before anything else.)

You complied and complied, and then complied again... and you're still in the same boat as everyone who didn't comply.

Maybe you were coerced by your terroristic government/employer, in order to keep your job and keep food on the table, and I do feel for those people

but the reality is still this...

Can you dine in at your favourite restaurant right now? I can't either.

Can you attend a Leafs or Raptors game? I can't either.

Can you go watch a movie at the cinema? I can't either.

Can you go blow off some steam at the gym? I can't either.

What good is your vaccine passport at this point? Can't help but laugh at this one ๐Ÿ˜†

How dumb do you honestly feel?

The first step to moving forward is admitting you got played.
 
You guys are throwing around the word "proportionate", but I'm not sure you're thinking correctly in terms of proportionate to what. Looking at the proportion of ICU patients that are vaccinated or unvaccinated tells you nothing about how the vaccine is working. Absolutely nothing.
I would like you to explain why it means nothing. According to your theory that would mean it tells you nothing about how not taking the vaccine is working.
One could argue that, but that one is certainly not you. You are not qualified to discuss a subject that is clearly beyond your scope.

How about you answer the logical question instead:

Would you feel safe knowing that uninsured drivers are on the same road as you everyday? WHY?
Are you not aware that 99.9% of vehicular accidents are caused by insured drivers? Bad analogy
 
dudes - there are way more vaccinated (8 to 1) any stat you look at as an excuse not to get vaxed should consider that.

the argument that vax hasnโ€™t improved serious illness is idiotic and counter productive.

How many boosters are you willing to take?

I had Covid, Iโ€™m good.


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I guess Turdo is too lazy to read the weekly covid stats which show the vaxxed are doing most of the spreading. We will never get back to normal if only the vaccine is used, since the virus continues to mutate. Early treatment, which up to now has been suppressed is necessary.
 
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    ๐Ÿ’†โ€โ™€๐Ÿ’–Monday ๐Ÿ’œ๐Ÿ’– Ultimate destination for Asian massages๐ŸŽ‰ Two fab spots: SL Richmond Hill & SL West Oakvilleโœจ Your passport to paradise with 10 enchanting girls fr China, HK, Japan & Korea โ€” Top Star Jenny, ๐Ÿ†• Elsa, Coco, Eva, Cindy, Kelly, Amber, Busty Echo, Yoyo, JPN Yui & Juliet โ€” ๐Ÿ๐ŸŽˆ Hit up 647-695-6354๐Ÿค™ or text to ๐Ÿ“ฑ647-578-8169 โœจ160 East Beaver Cr., Unit 12, Richmond Hill ๐Ÿ’ฐWhere Eastern charm meets Western comfort - your bliss awaits๐Ÿ™Œ
  39. wilson holistic centre:
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  40. wonderspa:
    wonderspa: ๐ŸŒบWonder spa,(9421Jane st unit127)call416-5000-800โ˜Ž๏ธbest massage in vaughan,๐Ÿ’„sexy very young girl Mimi๏ผŒlong legs ,natural c cup,very good looking amazing massage nice body slide,really popular ๐ŸŽlong hair mina smile,very good looking ,strong to relax oil ,back walk,more experience โค๏ธvery sexy Vietnamese girl Amy,open maid,amazing the end,really popular,must try๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿฅคall awesome massage ๐Ÿ‘๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน
  41. Golden Sunshine Spa:
    โœจClick on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates and special services ! โœ… Click Here Today๐ŸŒธSamy๐ŸŒธPriya๐ŸŒธLynda๐ŸŒธAletta๐ŸŒธIsabella๐ŸŒธIvy Call us โ˜Ž 905 - 265 - 2158โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate service awaits! โœจ
  42. DareDevil:
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  43. Soul Relax Spa:
    โœจ Looking for a relaxing escape? โœ… Click Here Meet๐ŸŒธCarly๐ŸŒธBrandy๐ŸŒธKellyCall us today for the best treatment and service experience. Click on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates ! Call now โ˜Ž 289 - 298 - 5662โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate relaxation awaits! โœจ
  44. Spa in Markham:
    GOLDEN FS โ€“ 8380 Kennedy Rd ๐Ÿ“ž 905-258-0777 / 416-688-6886 ๐Ÿ‡ญ๐Ÿ‡บ VANESSA, ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ JULIE (2PM), ๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ด MEGAN (8PM), ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ KELLY, ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡ณ SONIA (8PM), ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ JESSIE ๐Ÿ”Ž View Schedule: bit.ly/flowers_schedule ๐Ÿ›Ž๏ธ Booking Now: bit.ly/bookinggoldenlove
  45. FLOWER Spa - BLUEXADO | Thornhill | VAUGHAN:
    BLUEXADO FS โ€“ #06-1102 Centre St ๐Ÿ“ž 416-357-9797 / 416-678-8668 ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ CICI, ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ AMY, ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ SHERRY ๐Ÿ”Ž View Schedule: bit.ly/flowers_schedule ๐Ÿ›Ž๏ธ Booking Now: bit.ly/bookingbluexadolove
  46. FLOWER Spa โ€“ PINK | Scarborough | TORONTO:
    PINK FS โ€“ 3300 McNicoll Ave ๐Ÿ“ž 416-299-5515 / 416-817-3839 ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡ท ELINA, ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ญ MADY, ๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡ฌ CANDY, ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ NANCY ๐Ÿ”Ž View Schedule: bit.ly/flowers_schedule ๐Ÿ›Ž๏ธ Booking Now: bit.ly/bookingpinklove
  47. SpringGreen.:
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  48. Jennyโ€™s Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’JENNYโ€™S SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…5170 DUNDAS STREET WESTโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ( 647-893-5196)โ˜Ž๏ธCall or Text โ˜Ž๏ธ( 437-888-3759)โ˜Ž๏ธCall Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…GRAND OPENING๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅEXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNYโ€™S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅTWO BEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ’ฏREAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’‹Limited Time Special Promotion๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’‹ โœ…๐Ÿ’ฆ30 Minutes Nude Mass
  49. AliceSpa:
    3 Sexy Young Girls Today at Alice Spa. Open 10am to 9pm : CLOUDIA (12pm-9pm): is Vietnamese, young, petite 5'2" & 96 Lbs, B Cup, best rim deep bbbj cim. $40 Room Fee + $80 (incl bbbj & fs). +$20 for rim/cim. Excellent open minded services. SKY (10:30am-9pm): is Part time girl from Indonesia, petite 5'2", B Cup, 100 Lbs, long black hair, new to the biz.Young, fresh/cute, pretty, submissive, slim tiny waist, fair skin. bbbj
  50. ForeverWarden:
    Monday at ๐Ÿซฆโค๏ธ๐Ÿ”ดโ™พ๏ธ๐“•๐“ž๐“ก๐“”๐“ฅ๐“”๐“ก ๐“ข๐“Ÿ๐“โ™พ๏ธ๐ŸŸฅ๐Ÿ”ดโค๏ธ๐Ÿซฆ 2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด๐Ÿณ: Bella, Yumi & Cindy. Bella is around 5โ€™3โ€ with a thin to medium build, C Cups, and a pleasing personality. She can offer dfk, bbbj and cfs as well as a good massage experience. Yumi is a young half Chinese / /half Korean very sexy & slim beauty, can do bbbj cim, excellent services...
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