Plumbing the depths of massage slavery

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I did a corporate massage gig recently that was...weird. I was asked by a local chiropractor who offered me $10/massage hour (excluding lunch) to massage employees at a wellness fair, with the goal of getting them to book an appointment with the chiropractor and HIS massage therapist (who was not there). I was told not to hand out my own business cards, and if anyone wanted to schedule an appointment with me, I was to tell them to call the chiropractic office (who would try to get them to book with their massage therapist instead).

Personally, it felt very awkward and not totally on the up&up when these people, fully enjoying my massage, would ask me what days/hours I worked, if I did outcall, if they could have my card, etc. and I had to tell them no, be vague about it, or tell them they had to ask the chiropractor for my information. Basically, I was drumming up business for another massage therapist. Is this common?
 
Plumbing the depths of massage slavery

No, most people would not have agreed to work for some one else (as opposed to promoting yourself) for such low pay.

It was not slavery as you did agree to the terms.

Better choice would have been to contact the organizers yourself for a space.
 
Plumbing the depths of massage slavery

4thChakra said:
I did a corporate massage gig recently that was...weird. I was asked by a local chiropractor who offered me $10/massage hour (excluding lunch) to massage employees at a wellness fair, with the goal of getting them to book an appointment with the chiropractor and HIS massage therapist (who was not there). I was told not to hand out my own business cards, and if anyone wanted to schedule an appointment with me, I was to tell them to call the chiropractic office (who would try to get them to book with their massage therapist instead).

Personally, it felt very awkward and not totally on the up&up when these people, fully enjoying my massage, would ask me what days/hours I worked, if I did outcall, if they could have my card, etc. and I had to tell them no, be vague about it, or tell them they had to ask the chiropractor for my information. Basically, I was drumming up business for another massage therapist. Is this common?

Why would you agree to such an arrangement? I think that Squash_Blsm is right, I would have contacted the organizers myself!
 
Plumbing the depths of massage slavery

I have worked lots of chair massage events for other people, but never for that low. I agree, it does feel a little odd when you have to continually explain that "we are a mobile service" and there is no guarantee they would get me next time.

Personally, I would not work for $10.00 per hour. In fact, I would find it hard not to laugh when offered!

Was it presented to you differently at the start? Was there some other benefit to you - freebies of some sort? The chiropractor is a relative?!
 
Plumbing the depths of massage slavery

Yeah, thats a pretty lousy deal!

I once had a Chiro offer me a job and when he showed me the Massage room there was a phone with a long cord hanging on the wall. Part of my job would be to answer the phone while performing massage!



Love the thread title!
 
Plumbing the depths of massage exploitation

He had a position open in his office, for which I applied. He hired someone else before I even met him, but he emailed me (among others) and said he regularly used LMTs from time to time for corporate chair massage events. He said it was a "quick way to earn some cash." Since $10/hr was better than $0/hr., I thought I would try it out. The reason I didn't contact the organizer myself is because we (the LMTs) were not told where we were going until we got there.
 
Plumbing the depths of massage slavery

Vivian said:
Yeah, thats a pretty lousy deal!

I once had a Chiro offer me a job and when he showed me the Massage room there was a phone with a long cord hanging on the wall. Part of my job would be to answer the phone while performing massage!

Vivian, that is hysterical. Do you know if anyone ever actually agreed to work for him?
 
Plumbing the depths of massage exploitation

4thChakra said:
He had a position open in his office, for which I applied. He hired someone else before I even met him, but he emailed me (among others) and said he regularly used LMTs from time to time for corporate chair massage events. He said it was a "quick way to earn some cash." Since $10/hr was better than $0/hr., I thought I would try it out. The reason I didn't contact the organizer myself is because we (the LMTs) were not told where we were going until we got there.


Well, live and learn, right? Hopefully you will not have to take a job like that again - especially since it has such negative feelings for you. I imagine that might come across during the work as well. Not the best foresight for that chiro either!
 
Plumbing the depths of massage exploitation

4thChakra said:
He had a position open in his office, for which I applied. He hired someone else before I even met him, but he emailed me (among others) and said he regularly used LMTs from time to time for corporate chair massage events. He said it was a "quick way to earn some cash." Since $10/hr was better than $0/hr., I thought I would try it out. The reason I didn't contact the organizer myself is because we (the LMTs) were not told where we were going until we got there.

And "using" those MTs is exactly what he is doing. A good lesson here is to make sure you don't undervalue your time when considering offers of work. NEVER do any work for a lower rate than you feel is acceptable. It's obvious here that you feel resentment over having worked for such a low rate, but you did have a choice therefore it's not "slavery."

GreenDragonfly said:
Well, live and learn, right? Hopefully you will not have to take a job like that again - especially since it has such negative feelings for you. I imagine that might come across during the work as well. Not the best foresight for that chiro either!

I'm not sure why the chiro's foresight is being questioned. He got exactly what he wanted - CHEAP labor to promote his practice. I doubt the MT who works for him was unavailable that day, probably just UNWILLING to work for such a low wage.
 
Plumbing the depths of massage exploitation

Pete said:
I'm not sure why the chiro's foresight is being questioned. He got exactly what he wanted - CHEAP labor to promote his practice. I doubt the MT who works for him was unavailable that day, probably just UNWILLING to work for such a low wage.

I linked up the chiro's foresight because if he's hiring MTs that are either likely to feel resentful, or be so desperate to take a job at a compensation amount that isn't what is 'usual and customary' that their new hire might not do such a great job.

So they have these resentful/desperate MTs that are, for all intensive purposes acting as the DRAW to get more people in their business for more massage? Does not sound like a sound business plan to me. I would want to put my best foot forward in such a scenario!
 
Plumbing the depths of massage exploitation

GreenDragonfly said:
Pete said:
I'm not sure why the chiro's foresight is being questioned. He got exactly what he wanted - CHEAP labor to promote his practice. I doubt the MT who works for him was unavailable that day, probably just UNWILLING to work for such a low wage.

I linked up the chiro's foresight because if he's hiring MTs that are either likely to feel resentful, or be so desperate to take a job at a compensation amount that isn't what is 'usual and customary' that their new hire might not do such a great job.

So they have these resentful/desperate MTs that are, for all intensive purposes acting as the DRAW to get more people in their business for more massage? Does not sound like a sound business plan to me. I would want to put my best foot forward in such a scenario!

Well, usually the MT is putting their best foot forward DURING the event; the negative feelings come later and the chiro is most likely unaware. There is a prevalent opinion out there that MTs make about $10/hour but we did that to ourselves. How many salons and spas pay that to their MT? TONS! As long as we (MTs) continue to accept such low paying work, that work will continue to be offered. If this chiro was unable to find ANYONE to accept $10/hr, he'd pay more.
 
Plumbing the depths of massage slavery

I wouldn't do this job for such low pay, but it was obviously an interesting learning experience, and sometimes that is more valuable than other forms of compensation. You certainly learned some things, right?
 
Plumbing the depths of massage slavery

Nice sig, Jason. Yes, I did learn stuff, although I'm not quite sure what. I have since seen other ads for outcall massage jobs through chiro offices, paying $10/hr. I guess I was naive enough to think there'd be some way to get clients out of it somehow, since the pay was so low, or the chiro would see what great work I do, and would hire me for his office. ::sound of shattering illusions::

I guess they see people working for ME for $15, and think some will even go for $10, not counting that at places like ME, tips bring the rate up to $25-35/massage.
 
Plumbing the depths of massage slavery

4thChakra said:
Vivian said:
Yeah, thats a pretty lousy deal!

I once had a Chiro offer me a job and when he showed me the Massage room there was a phone with a long cord hanging on the wall. Part of my job would be to answer the phone while performing massage!

Vivian, that is hysterical. Do you know if anyone ever actually agreed to work for him?

I ran into that Chiro when i was green and fresh out of school. Eventually I ended up meeting several MT's that had worked for him, none for very long, and they had plenty of stories. The chief complaint was that he would barter the MT down on her price for a massage for one of his patients, right in front of the patient. So the MT would accept a discount fee over looking like a bad guy in front of clients.
 
Plumbing the depths of massage slavery

[quote="Vivian"I ran into that Chiro when i was green and fresh out of school. Eventually I ended up meeting several MT's that had worked for him, none for very long, and they had plenty of stories. The chief complaint was that he would barter the MT down on her price for a massage for one of his patients, right in front of the patient. So the MT would accept a discount fee over looking like a bad guy in front of clients.[/quote]

That's almost like what one chiro I worked for wanted me to do. They wanted me to offer their clients a first time discount - I had no problems with that - then still expect me to pay the full amount of commission as if I hadn't given them the discount. So, I would end up losing money on the deal.
 
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    ๐Ÿ’†โ€โ™€๐Ÿ’–WooHoo Wed๐Ÿ’– Ultimate destination for Asian massages๐ŸŽ‰ Two fab spots: Richmond Hill & Oakvilleโœจ Your passport to paradise with 10 enchanting girls fr China, HK, Japan & Korea โ€” ๐Ÿ†•Luna, Cindy, Coco,Cici, Jenny, Amber, JPN Yui, Akino, Jasmine & Lucyโ€” ready to pamper you๐ŸŽ๐Ÿ Ring us ๐Ÿ“ž647-695-6354 or text us ๐Ÿ“ฑ647-578-8169โœจ 160 East Beaver Cr., Unit 12, RichmondHill ๐Ÿ’ฐWhere Eastern charm meets Western comfort - your bliss awaits๐Ÿ™Œ
  34. Lulu1980:
    Phoenix Blossom Spa ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน2 girls ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ5124 Dundas St W Etobicokeโ˜Ž๏ธ416-817-3366๐Ÿ‘ Table Shower Sea Salt Bath Body Scrub๐Ÿ˜˜ Japanese girl Nina โค๏ธ Natural Big Boobs 38 DD ๐Ÿ˜˜Pink Mini Nipples Hot body slide, super enjoyable๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜ very provocative service๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜, professional super Luna deep tissue massage, has therapeutic effect to loosen bones and relieve muscle pressure and will bring you unexpected service effects, she will bring you a little surprise๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜โค๏ธYou are welcome to make an appoint
  35. SpringGreen.:
    Today we have 5 girls on downtown Toronto 72 gerrard st west๏ผš๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’‹ New girl gaga Serving The Queen ๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’‹Bunny- Tanned Spanish beauty with large melons and a fun booty too Wendy- exotic goddess with a gymnasts body and corresponding flexibility Jennifer- Exotic beauty with... Call and text 647 891 0699 ask questions Thanks ๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’‹
  36. Jennyโ€™s Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’JENNYโ€™S SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…5170 DUNDAS STREET WESTโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ( 647-893-5196)โ˜Ž๏ธCall or Text โ˜Ž๏ธ( 437-888-3759)โ˜Ž๏ธCall Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…GRAND OPENING๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅEXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNYโ€™S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅTWO BEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ’ฏREAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’‹Limited Time Special Promotion๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’‹ โœ…๐Ÿ’ฆ30 Minutes Nude Mass
  37. Red Rose Spa:
    ๐ŸŒธ We have 5 hot brown girls today ๐ŸŒธ MONICA, PAOLA, MALIYA, MONIKA, AMANDA, ASHA, JAZMINE, PREETI, ANGELINA, KIRAN ๐ŸŒธ 2588 Birchmount ๐ŸŒธ 2 Invergordon ๐ŸŒธ 647-702-8800 ๐ŸŒธ Please visit for a great erotic massage
  38. wilson holistic centre:
    ๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•Beautiful Korean girl working at 382 Wilson Ave ๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•โ˜Ž๏ธโ˜Ž๏ธ416-840-0071โค๏ธโค๏ธ
  39. wonderspa:
    ๐ŸŒบWonder spa,(9421Jane st unit127)call416-5000-800โ˜Ž๏ธbest massage in vaughan,Wednesday RMT available,๐Ÿ’„sexy face young girl Joey natural c cup,very good looking nice body slide,really popular ๐ŸŽlong hair Q Lucy good strong to relax oil massage, Relieve pain and remove stress,more experience,๐ŸŒนvery nice new girl CiCi, amazing the end,give you warm time,must try๐ŸŒน๐Ÿฅค
  40. AliceSpa:
    WEDNESDAY at ๐—”๐—Ÿ๐—œ๐—–๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—” 416-298-0898, 4915 Steeles Ave. E, Scarborough 3 very nice girls here today. Open 10am to 9pm: CLOUDIA (11am-8pm): is Vietnamese, young, petite 5'2" & 96 Lbs, B Cup, best rim deep bbbj cim. $40 Room Fee + $80 (incl bbbj & fs). +$20 for rim/cim. Excellent open minded services. DORIS (12pm-9pm): from Taiwan, is young & petite with loing thick black hair, 105 Lbs
  41. Annie Spa:
    ๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ˜˜Sexy Petite Korean๐Ÿ‡ฐ๐Ÿ‡ทGirl Eva working with Sweet Beautiful Japanese New Cummer to Canada Feifei ๐Ÿ‡ฏ๐Ÿ‡ต and Sensual Pleasing Busty Coco๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ณtoday๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ˜˜Call or text ๐Ÿ“ฒ647-891-9688 or 416-291-8879๐Ÿ“ฒ
  42. EMSpa_schedule:
    Hey! Where have you been? Today (Wednesday), our amazing attendants are Carla โ€, Cici ๐Ÿ˜, Opal ๐Ÿคฉ, Sandy ๐Ÿค— and Yoyo ๐Ÿ˜. Call us at โ˜Ž๏ธ (905) 479-6668 โ˜Ž๏ธ to book your favourite and head on over to 7665 Kennedy Road, Unit 4, Markham!
  43. ForeverWarden:
    Wednesday at ๐Ÿซฆโค๏ธ๐Ÿ”ด๐ŸŸฅโ™พ๏ธ๐“•๐“ž๐“ก๐“”๐“ฅ๐“”๐“ก ๐“ข๐“Ÿ๐“โ™พ๏ธ๐ŸŸฅ๐Ÿ”ดโค๏ธ๐Ÿซฆ2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด๐Ÿณ: Bella, Cindy & Sasa. Bella is around 5โ€™3โ€ with a thin to medium build, C Cups, and a pleasing personality. She can offer dfk, bbbj and cfs as well as a good massage experience. Cindy is a slim beauty, 5โ€™4โ€, natural C Cups. Her massage is nice, her services will drive you wild & her finish is a dream
  44. HolidaySpa:
    Wednesday at ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…๐“—๐“ธ๐“ต๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ช๐”‚ ๐“ข๐“น๐“ช๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough โ˜Ž๏ธ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿญ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿต๐Ÿตโ˜Ž๏ธ: FIONA, KIKI & CINDY. FIONA is a slim hottie with long dark hair, great melons and ass, and nice services. Kiki is very attractive, young, about 5โ€™4โ€ and 110 Lbs., slim with a banging body. Kiki is very popular for her great attitude and services. CINDY is slim & incredibly sexy
  45. SugarLoveSpa:
    Wednesday at โค๏ธ๐Ÿ’™ ๐Ÿ’œโŽ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—š๐—”๐—ฅ ๐—Ÿ๐—ข๐—ฉ๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”โŽ ๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’˜: SARAH, SUSAN, TIFFANY & VIVI. 1270 Finch Ave W (at Keele St), Unit 18. North York, ON โ˜Ž ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฑ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด โ˜Ž SARA is a beautiful Thai lady with C Cups, 160 Cms and 50 Kgs, with a full set of services to delight you. SUSAN is a small, slim & sexy Latina girl, 5'4" & 116 Lbs, with nice boobs and ass, very versatile services.
  46. ใ™ใฟใพใ›ใ‚“:
    Top notch line up with superstars like sunny , gabby , elena , kiki , Ella and cindy. At top notch wellness
  47. bnwellness_wilson:
    We have 4 young girls are working today, young Taiwanese Victoria slime 26โ€™s and young flirty Mia 25โ€™s with curly body , pretty Ella and cute GFE Lina are providing deep tissue massage, pls call 4163985777 book appointment and walk in always welcome,back entrance and parking available, 350 Wilson Ave North York
  48. luckywellness:
    Lucky Wellness Center 4379721888 295 Eglinton Ave E,Unit 7,Mississauga We had two girls today, Niko and Kiki. They were both young, pretty and cute. The massage and back massage were great.
  49. Lulu1980:
    Phoenix Blossom Spa ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน2 girls ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ5124 Dundas St W Etobicokeโ˜Ž๏ธ416-817-3366๐Ÿ‘ Table Shower Sea Salt Bath Body Scrub๐Ÿ˜˜ Japanese girl Nina โค๏ธ Natural Big Boobs 38 DD ๐Ÿ˜˜Pink Mini Nipples Hot body slide, super enjoyable๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜ very provocative service๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜, professional super Luna deep tissue massage, has therapeutic effect to loosen bones and relieve muscle pressure and will bring you unexpected service effects, she will bring you a little surprise๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜โค๏ธYou are welcome to make an appoint
  50. DareDevil:
    ARIA WELLNESS โ™ฅ๏ธโ™ฅ๏ธADDRESS: 360 HWY 7, UNIT #6, RICHMOND HILL,647-222-5683 โ™ฅ๏ธโ™ฅ๏ธ(PHONES CALL ONLY, NO TEXT'N AVAILABLE) โ™ฅ๏ธTODAY'S Schedule!โ™ฅ๏ธ Loaded lineup with Beautiful Girls : Young RMT Student Helen, Sexy Busty Apple, Magical Mia and Work out๐Ÿ‹๐Ÿšด๐Ÿ’ช Babe Amy! SPECIAL PROMO 30 MINS 2 GIRLS $70 ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน**TODAY'S PICKS OF THE DAY ARE ๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿญ HELEN AND APPLE๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿญ**
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